Comments on: Is this Nirvana? http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/ blogging without form and void Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:47:08 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dave Cleland http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/comment-page-1/#comment-16312 Dave Cleland Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:46:46 +0000 http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/#comment-16312 <p>"Why would they want to stick around for God when the pizza is gone?"</p> <p>I had hoped Cat Tuesday would be the hook that kept 'em coming after the last slice was gone. Alas, I was wrong.</p> <p>Seriously though, even with all the statistics floating around out there about kids leaving church after high school most churches continue to look for answers in the wrong places. It just goes to show that all statistics can do is shock. Unless churches are providing a biblical alternative to popular youth ministry parents are still feeling around in the dark for a solution.</p> “Why would they want to stick around for God when the pizza is gone?”

I had hoped Cat Tuesday would be the hook that kept ‘em coming after the last slice was gone. Alas, I was wrong.

Seriously though, even with all the statistics floating around out there about kids leaving church after high school most churches continue to look for answers in the wrong places. It just goes to show that all statistics can do is shock. Unless churches are providing a biblical alternative to popular youth ministry parents are still feeling around in the dark for a solution.

]]> By: SKH http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/comment-page-1/#comment-16310 SKH Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:31:15 +0000 http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/#comment-16310 <p>Drew, it is one of the greatest joys of ministry when God vindicates His name <em>and His ministry model</em>. While part of His plan apparently includes not letting everyone "get it," there's nothing better as an under-shepherd than when He enables sheep to get it.</p> <p>Sarah, thank <em>you</em> for the encouragement! </p> <p>Mijah, it's like we're playing for keeps or something. And thanks for the typographical post script; changes have been made.</p> Drew, it is one of the greatest joys of ministry when God vindicates His name and His ministry model. While part of His plan apparently includes not letting everyone “get it,” there’s nothing better as an under-shepherd than when He enables sheep to get it.

Sarah, thank you for the encouragement!

Mijah, it’s like we’re playing for keeps or something. And thanks for the typographical post script; changes have been made.

]]> By: Mijah http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/comment-page-1/#comment-16268 Mijah Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:14:55 +0000 http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/#comment-16268 <p>I totally agree that the church must see that souls are at stake in youth ministry.</p> <p>P.S. - Second to last paragraph, last sentence: I think you wanted a "not" in that.</p> I totally agree that the church must see that souls are at stake in youth ministry.

P.S. - Second to last paragraph, last sentence: I think you wanted a “not” in that.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/comment-page-1/#comment-16258 Sarah Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:54:53 +0000 http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/#comment-16258 <p>I am so thankful for the great, true, and solid "food" we get in One28. </p> <p>In chapel this past week the speaker said just as one footnote about how youth pastors today are expected to be all fun and be jumping around crazy without being sensible. Thank you for the reminder, that helps me remember to be thankful.</p> I am so thankful for the great, true, and solid “food” we get in One28.

In chapel this past week the speaker said just as one footnote about how youth pastors today are expected to be all fun and be jumping around crazy without being sensible. Thank you for the reminder, that helps me remember to be thankful.

]]> By: Drew http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/comment-page-1/#comment-16209 Drew Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:57:44 +0000 http://www.tohuvabohu.org/2007/11/15/is-this-nirvana/#comment-16209 <p>Hey Sean, I know exactly what you mean about telling people you're a youth pastor. I've actually had people ask me when I'm going to become a real pastor. It seems that the evangelical church's opinion of youth ministry is at an all time low.<br /> In the context of my church, this has proven to be a real blessing b/c the contrast between a Purpose Driven Youth Ministry model and a biblical model of discipleship and sanctification could not be more stark. When parents see what it looks like to minister according to Colossians 1:28-29 they crave that kind of ministry, not just for their kids but for themselves as well.</p> Hey Sean, I know exactly what you mean about telling people you’re a youth pastor. I’ve actually had people ask me when I’m going to become a real pastor. It seems that the evangelical church’s opinion of youth ministry is at an all time low.
In the context of my church, this has proven to be a real blessing b/c the contrast between a Purpose Driven Youth Ministry model and a biblical model of discipleship and sanctification could not be more stark. When parents see what it looks like to minister according to Colossians 1:28-29 they crave that kind of ministry, not just for their kids but for themselves as well.

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